I am no lawyer, but please consider possible legal problems for users. 1) I sign an NDA with my customer 2) I enable Feedback 3) You see things I shouldn't reveal. I know that my data are not sent. And you say it's anonymous. But you will have at least the server's IP and MAC. The real problem is not if we trust trusting YOU (I do) - the real problem is that sending that data could be illegal. Regards Federico -------------------------------------------- Lun 9/3/15, Jean Weisbuch <jean@phpnet.org> ha scritto: Oggetto: Re: [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4 A: maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Data: Lunedì 9 marzo 2015, 22:12 As long as its limited to beta and alpha releases i dont think its that bad to enable it by default as users using these versions should already be aware of their not production-ready state. As it seems to be simple to enable/disable the plugin with the "feedback" variable, it shouldnt be a problem to deactivate it if the server is upgraded to a GA release. I cant say about the real interest of the harvested informations but it could be of interest to see if a significant number of users are trying to install these versions on exotic architectures/OSes or with a very high cpu count for example. Collecting the libc version (when applicable) could also be interresting i think. Le 09/03/2015 21:47, Adam Scott a écrit : Maybe make it an option when installing? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Justin Swanhart <greenlion@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I agree with Kristian. Given the way it works, the statistics are really meaningless and I feel you shouldn't drive important choices based on bad statistics. I personally would suggest displaying a link to a feedback/survey form with web downloads and display a message after rpm/deb installation that says something like "please visit http://blah/blah/blah/survey to tell us more about the features you use and help direct the future development of MariaDB". This has an added bonus: not all users know about all features, and a list/survey of the important and interesting ones could get more users to use them. Just my $.02 --Justin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Kristian Nielsen <knielsen@knielsen-hq.org> wrote: Michael Widenius <monty@askmonty.org> writes: > for the alpha so I suggested Sergei today that we should enable it for > the beta period of MariaDB 10.0 (10.*1* beta, I guess?) > As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous > and no private or sensitive information is being sent. > > Any comments, suggestions or recommendations? I think it is a bad idea. Please do not do it. "Phone-home" is a misfeature in any product, and even more so in system software like a database. And besides, the information is much less useful than you think, because of unknown, but probably extreme, data skew. In fact, it will probably be more harmful than useful because people will use bad data to justify bad decisions. Experience supports this point of view with our download numbers. They do not include apt-get / yum / etc. installations, which judging from IRC conversations are the majority. Yet people continuely refer to them as though they mean anything, just because they are there. - Kristian. -----Segue allegato----- _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss Post to : maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-discuss More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp