right i forgot to set autocommit=0 while testing, i will continue tests with innodb

any others errros about (1),(2),(3),(4) ?

2014-12-15 15:50 GMT-02:00 Federico Razzoli <federico_raz@yahoo.it>:
With InnoDB you will get a deadlock error. Your application will need to retry the query if you get error 1213.
Don't know about TokuDB, but I suppose it's the same.

Regards
Federico


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Lun 15/12/14, Roberto Spadim <roberto@spadim.com.br> ha scritto:

 Oggetto: Re: [Maria-discuss] Doubt about 'atomic' insert
 A: "Federico Razzoli" <federico_raz@yahoo.it>
 Cc: "Maria Discuss" <maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net>
 Data: Lunedì 15 dicembre 2014, 18:23

 Hi
 guys,
 i agree with you federico, sql is a
 language, only, and engine do what it's supossed to
 do
 considering all, could
 anyone check if i'm right, just to explain the
 'standard' that i was looking:1) aria
 report duplicate keys errors with row format = page, because
 of >multiple< concurrent inserts
 2)
 innodb it don't report errors with read-repeatable
 (maybe with a differente tx_isolation it report i must
 test)
 3) myisam don't report cause it
 allow only one concurrent insert (not multiple as
 aria)4) toku works like innodb

 if
 that's right, could we include a topic at KB, to explain
 how concurrent inserts, and transaction level, could
 'change' how inserts are handled? to have a good
 documentation
 if not, please point where
 it's wrong



 2014-12-15 10:00 GMT-02:00
 Federico Razzoli <federico_raz@yahoo.it>:Roberto,



 The meaning of an SQL is not engine-dependent. But here you
 have a timing problem.



 As Elena explained, Aria allows concurrent inserts to the
 same table. As a consequence, if MAX(id) is 100, several
 threads could try to insert 101, resulting in duplicate key
 errors.



 Your application should be prepared to handle this, for the
 same reasons an application should normally be able to
 handle InnoDB's deadlocks.



 Regards

 Federico





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 Dom 14/12/14, Roberto Spadim <roberto@spadim.com.br>
 ha scritto:



  Oggetto: Re: [Maria-discuss] Doubt about 'atomic'
 insert

  A: "Elena Stepanova" <elenst@montyprogram.com>

  Cc: "Maria Discuss" <maria-discuss@lists.launchpad.net>

  Data: Domenica 14 dicembre 2014, 19:11



  Hi elena! I'm

  considering all engines

  The query insert into table select max(pk)+1 from
 table;



  Should be executed different with

  different storage engines? Or the results should be the

  same?



  For example, i

  consider that

  max(pk)+1 Will always get the

  highest value of pk, and never insert a duplicate value,
 if

  it insert a duplicate value, that's not the max()
 value

  of pk, or i'm wrong?





  Em domingo, 14 de dezembro de

  2014, Elena Stepanova <elenst@montyprogram.com>

  escreveu:

  Roberto,







  On 14.12.2014 8:37, Roberto Spadim wrote:





  Hi Elena!







  2014-12-13 21:02 GMT-02:00 Elena Stepanova <elenst@montyprogram.com>:









  I suppose you forgot to mention that you are doing it on
 an

  Aria table,



  concurrently, simultaneously from several threads?









  no, i'm considering any engine, just to know when

  it's possible to a insert



  return duplicate error, why, how, etc... i don't see
 a

  standard here, i



  didn't see a standard in others databases too,

  that's why i'm asking to



  community













  Without a context, "no" is a natural answer

  because nobody can predict all preconditions for such a

  generic question. But the context does matter. I know
 that

  you raised the question while playing with MDEV-7314,
 others

  don't.







  Aria allows concurrent INSERTs to the same table, while

  MyISAM does not. (https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/documentation/storage-engines/aria/aria-faq/#advantages-of-aria-compared-to-myisam)







  You can see the difference if you modify your initial

  example to something easily "serializable" for
 the

  naked eye.







  Compare:







  *MyISAM*:







  # CONNECTION 1







  MariaDB [test]> create table t_myisam (pk int
 primary

  key) engine=MyISAM;



  Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.15 sec)







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_myisam values (1);



  Query OK, 1 row affected (0.01 sec)







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_myisam select

  max(pk)+sleep(10)+1 from t_myisam;







  # It starts sleeping











  # CONNECTION 2







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_myisam select
 max(pk)+1

  from t_myisam;







  # waits until the one in the 1st connection has
 finished,

  and then inserts the next pk:







  # CONNECTION 1







  Query OK, 1 row affected (10.01 sec)



  Records: 1  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0











  # CONNECTION 2







  Query OK, 1 row affected (8.66 sec)



  Records: 1  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0







  MariaDB [test]> select * from t_myisam;



  +----+



  | pk |



  +----+



  |  1 |



  |  2 |



  |  3 |



  +----+



  3 rows in set (0.00 sec)















  *Aria*:







  # CONNECTION 1







  MariaDB [test]> create table t_aria (pk int primary
 key)

  engine=Aria;



  Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.44 sec)







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_aria values (1);



  Query OK, 1 row affected (0.06 sec)







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_aria select

  max(pk)+sleep(10)+1 from t_aria;







  It starts sleeping







  # CONNECTION 2







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_aria select max(pk)+1
 from

  t_aria;



  Query OK, 1 row affected (0.04 sec)



  Records: 1  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0







  # CONNECTION 1







  MariaDB [test]> insert into t_aria select

  max(pk)+sleep(10)+1 from t_aria;



  ERROR 1062 (23000): Duplicate entry '2' for key

  'PRIMARY'











  That's why you are getting the duplicate key errors
 on

  Aria tables in that particular scenario.







  Whether it's a bug or not, is another question. I

  don't see how it can work any other way and still
 allow

  concurrent INSERTs, but maybe somebody who knows more
 about

  Aria internals does.











  Regards,



  Elena







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