Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished.
-----Original Message----- From: kahzoo@gmail.com [mailto:kahzoo@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kazuhisa Ichikawa Sent: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2011 09:32 To: Vladislav Vaintroub Cc: Philip Stoev; maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished.
Hello, Kazuhisa
No :-). My experience with MySQL installers is limited to fresh install. This is the first time I tried 'upgrade' and my expectation was purely imaginary.
Right, there is no upgrade functionality in MySQLs installers up-to-now (nor I heard or any planning for it recently). But I noticed that both you and Philip had quite similar requests for the changed UI in case of "upgrade possible". Both of you recommended changes at the "Database Properties" dialog, I think it is wrong place, by the time you enter this dialog it is too late, you should not have entered this dialog, as the intention was not "create new", but "upgrade existing" anyway.. So since both of my users have pointed to usability issues, I added a new dialog that comes after license agreement that and tells user that upgradable instances were found and please make a choice between installing a new instance and not installing a new instance(optional upgrade one or more existing ones). This sounds almost like your first suggestion, but in own dialog. This dialog comes right before feature selection, and only thing it might do is to unselect "Database Instance" feature in the following dialog . Technically, it duplicates functionality of the feature selection tree. So what... I hope it adds some clarity for the user - at least tells the user that his existing instances *can* be upgraded. Or maybe it won't help that much, since user never looks at the UI anyway :) (nice article about that is here http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/10/treating-user-myopia.html ) Anyway, I uploaded the newest msis to the usual place, if somebody wants to play with it. Thanks, Vladislav.
It seems that http://downloads.askmonty.org/mariadb/ still has the old NSIS-based installer for 5.1.55? -- Peter On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 00:46, Vladislav Vaintroub <wlad@montyprogram.com>wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: kahzoo@gmail.com [mailto:kahzoo@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kazuhisa Ichikawa Sent: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2011 09:32 To: Vladislav Vaintroub Cc: Philip Stoev; maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished.
Hello, Kazuhisa
No :-). My experience with MySQL installers is limited to fresh install. This is the first time I tried 'upgrade' and my expectation was purely imaginary.
Right, there is no upgrade functionality in MySQLs installers up-to-now (nor I heard or any planning for it recently). But I noticed that both you and Philip had quite similar requests for the changed UI in case of "upgrade possible". Both of you recommended changes at the "Database Properties" dialog, I think it is wrong place, by the time you enter this dialog it is too late, you should not have entered this dialog, as the intention was not "create new", but "upgrade existing" anyway..
So since both of my users have pointed to usability issues, I added a new dialog that comes after license agreement that and tells user that upgradable instances were found and please make a choice between installing a new instance and not installing a new instance(optional upgrade one or more existing ones). This sounds almost like your first suggestion, but in own dialog. This dialog comes right before feature selection, and only thing it might do is to unselect "Database Instance" feature in the following dialog . Technically, it duplicates functionality of the feature selection tree. So what... I hope it adds some clarity for the user - at least tells the user that his existing instances *can* be upgraded. Or maybe it won't help that much, since user never looks at the UI anyway :) (nice article about that is here http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/10/treating-user-myopia.html )
Anyway, I uploaded the newest msis to the usual place, if somebody wants to play with it.
Thanks, Vladislav.
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From: Peter Laursen [mailto:peter_laursen@webyog.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 2. März 2011 11:30 To: Vladislav Vaintroub Cc: Kazuhisa Ichikawa; maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished. It seems that <http://downloads.askmonty.org/mariadb/> http://downloads.askmonty.org/mariadb/ still has the old NSIS-based installer for 5.1.55? – Peter Yes, 5.1 will have the old installer until the end of 5.1’s life. Also, in 5.2/5.3 the new installer is not pushed yet, because it is not yet reviewed. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 00:46, Vladislav Vaintroub < <mailto:wlad@montyprogram.com> wlad@montyprogram.com> wrote:
@wlad I came across an issue with the .msi from Oracle. refer: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=60830 In short: if somebody installs a 'n-bit' version and on top of this a 'm-bit' version various inconsistencies happen inside Windows system menus. I concluded that 1) either: a n-bit of a x.y version should refuse to install if a m-bit of same x.y version is installed 2) or: n-bit and m-bit should should identify themselves so that Windows can handle them in parallel. (not only 'MySQL Server 5.5" but "MySQL Server 5.5 - 64 bit" etc.) Is this something you have been considering? -- Peter On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 20:23, Vladislav Vaintroub <wlad@montyprogram.com>wrote:
*From:* Peter Laursen [mailto:peter_laursen@webyog.com] *Sent:* Mittwoch, 2. März 2011 11:30 *To:* Vladislav Vaintroub *Cc:* Kazuhisa Ichikawa; maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net
*Subject:* Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished.
It seems that http://downloads.askmonty.org/mariadb/ still has the old NSIS-based installer for 5.1.55? – Peter
Yes, 5.1 will have the old installer until the end of 5.1’s life. Also, in 5.2/5.3 the new installer is not pushed yet, because it is not yet reviewed.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 00:46, Vladislav Vaintroub <wlad@montyprogram.com> wrote:
From: Peter Laursen [mailto:peter_laursen@webyog.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 00:52 To: Vladislav Vaintroub Cc: Kazuhisa Ichikawa; maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished. Hi Peter, @wlad I came across an issue with the .msi from Oracle. refer: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=60830 In short: if somebody installs a 'n-bit' version and on top of this a 'm-bit' version various inconsistencies happen inside Windows system menus. I concluded that 1) either: a n-bit of a x.y version should refuse to install if a m-bit of same x.y version is installed 2) or: n-bit and m-bit should should identify themselves so that Windows can handle them in parallel. (not only 'MySQL Server 5.5" but "MySQL Server 5.5 - 64 bit" etc.) Is this something you have been considering? We are be doing 2) – installing 32 and 64 bit side-by-side, 64 bit package identifies itself with “x64” suffix -- Peter On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 20:23, Vladislav Vaintroub <wlad@montyprogram.com> wrote: From: Peter Laursen [mailto:peter_laursen@webyog.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 2. März 2011 11:30 To: Vladislav Vaintroub Cc: Kazuhisa Ichikawa; maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer MWL#55 finished. It seems that <http://downloads.askmonty.org/mariadb/> http://downloads.askmonty.org/mariadb/ still has the old NSIS-based installer for 5.1.55? – Peter Yes, 5.1 will have the old installer until the end of 5.1’s life. Also, in 5.2/5.3 the new installer is not pushed yet, because it is not yet reviewed. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 00:46, Vladislav Vaintroub < <mailto:wlad@montyprogram.com> wlad@montyprogram.com> wrote:
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