On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Kristian Nielsen wrote:

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MARK CALLAGHAN writes:

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Define "properly"? I suspect you mean that you want us to spend the time to get our changes into MariaDB.

No, that is not what I meant. I meant write code, tests, etc. like what you and I want to see in the MySQL source. You have often voiced opinions on quality of code, tests, etc., and I believe we think very much alike in this respect.

The concrete example was extending the alter table API to better support online schema changes. When we did this at MySQL for online add column in NDB Cluster, we designed it as a general extension to the storage engine API, not as some special case. I think this is what everyone would expect from MySQL sources.

But doing such features in a general way, thinking about all use cases and corner cases, can be _much_ more work than making something work well for a given problem at hand. I fully understand the temptation, or even need, to solve the smaller problem instead.

My motivation is that I want to see the MySQL source base (under whatever name), see revolutionary improvements long-term. I want to see full parallel replication working with any engine that implements the necessary storage engine API. I want to see a good backup solution that works with different engines. I want to see replication that recovers reliably from crashes and has robust and easy master promotion capabilities. Etc.

And I believe to get this we will need not just to add isolated features (whether as individual patches or collected in bzr branches); we will also eventually have to evolve the storage engine API, add new plugin interfaces, etc. That is a lot of work, which is hard to justify for an individual MySQL-using organisation. So I want to encourage everyone to participate in this who might be able to.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:11 PM, MARK CALLAGHAN wrote:

I agree with you about that being the proper way to advance the MySQL family and that the MariaDB project has been open and inclusive towards external developers like myself. Hopefully, more can come from this and this is a topic to discuss in Istanbul.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Henrik Ingo wrote:

This is something I'm always interested in. It seems most of us understand where we need to go, but we don't know yet how to get there... How do we convince Mark/Mark's boss that this is the best way to develop MySQL codebase also from Facebook's point of view? (long term we can make much bigger advances?) Where should this unified development happen? (MariaDB? Is Maria open enough, responsive enough? fast enough?)

Kristian, do you want to schedule a "hacking in groups" / unconference time slot for this?

We agreed with Kristian that I will host this and I probably have more bandwidth anyway... ...so the invitation is now set for the Saturday evening unconference slot to anyone who wants to spend 30 minutes discussing how we could work in a more unified and collaborative way (like Linux or many other FOSS projects do), rather than each entity having its own branch. http://askmonty.org/wiki/Istanbul2010_Program Let me know if the time is bad for you. Note that I'm not a developer so I'm just hosting it, you guys need to figure out how this should work. If you won't be in Istanbul but are interested in this topic, you can be in touch with me via email (or irc, skype, phone) beforehand. henrik -- henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi +358-40-5697354 www.openlife.cc