Hi! Congrats on the MariaDB 11.8 release! So far in Debian and Ubuntu no regressions have been reported and looks everything is working well. The most frequent thing I see people complain about is not new to 11.8, but I think introduced in 10.4 with InnoDB refusing to start if crash recovery is needed for a database of an earlier major version. This is explained in e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20240912062010/https://mariadb.com/kb/en/innodb-... To help DBAs ensure they have a clean shutdown before doing a major version upgrade, I was wondering what are the best ways to confirm a clean shutdown by checking the MariaDB logs or files in /var/log/mysql? Specifically, what log entries or patterns in the MariaDB logs indicate a clean shutdown? Additionally, are there particular files or indicators in /var/log/mysql that reliably show the clean shutdown status? For example, if all buffers were flushed, should I expect that some files have size zero?