Hi guys! I posted the MDEV-5007 and it's a old problem from MDEV-3795 (the same problem) It (MDEV-3795) was closed as a not a bug, but i think it's a bug, but i didn't explained well at the first time I changed from a mysql server to a mariadb server and the result order by isn't executed, i tried myisam,aria,innodb,memory engines and all of them return the same problem (order by not executed) On the wrong query i don't see the "using filesort" at explain, and at the right query (with right order by) it show "using filesort" Could anyone help me? or at least EXPLAIN why the order by shouldn't be executed on the first query, and maybe a workaround using sql_optimizer variable or something like it? it's a closed software and i need to contact developer to change the query, that's why i'm talking about the sql_optimizer variable instead of rewrite the query Thanks -- Roberto Spadim